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January 08, 2015

Obama to propose free community college

President Obama will propose two years of free community college for American workers Friday, part of what the White House says is an effort to make community college as universal as high school is today.
Obama teased his community college proposal in a video uploaded to Facebook Thursday, and will deliver a speech Friday in Knoxville, Tenn.
"Put simply, what I'd like to do is to see the first two years of community college free for anybody who's willing to work for it," he said. "It's something we can accomplish, and it;s something that will train our workforce so that we can compete with anyone in the world."
The program would require action from a Republican-dominated Congress.
The White House would not discuss the cost and funding for the proposal, saying those details will come in the State of the Union Address Jan. 20 and the president's budget request Feb. 2. But the White House expects 9 million students to participate, and save them up to $3,800 a year. That would place the cost at $34.2 billion. The federal government would pay three quarters of that.
In some ways, the community college plan is a bookend to Obama's 2013 proposal to pay for universal pre-Kindergarten through a state and federal partnership. That proposal, which relied on dwindling tobacco tax money to provide federal matching funds, never got traction in Congress.
But Cecilia Munoz, Obama's domestic policy adviser, said Obama's pre-K proposal spurred state and local governments to increase the number and quality of pre-school offerings, and hopes the college proposal will do the same. "We don't expect the country to be transformed overnight, but we do expect the conversation to begin tomorrow," she said.
Munoz said the college plan would require the cooperation of states, community colleges and students. States would have to pick up a quarter of the cost -- more or less depending on how much they currently fund community colleges.
"Community colleges have to raise their game by establishing standards to allow students to transfer those credits to a four year degree," she said. "And students must take responsibility for their education, earn good grades and stay on track to graduate in order to earn free tuition."
The America's College Promise program would be available to traditional and non-traditional college students, she said, and would support those seeking the first two years of a bachelor's degree, an associate's degree, or even just job training.

27 comments:

  1. "free" as in paid by the Americans still lucky enough to employed, for the future cashiers at Walmart. You gotta love socialism.

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  2. But it is not socialism to create 29 trillion dollars in new capital to save the wealthy from their own bad derivative bets?

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  3. Yes, I love socialism. I loved my free public school. I love the (mostly still not privatized) free roads. I love the free fire services. I love the community college, stage college and state university system. I love Social Security, and the Medicare that took care of my Mom when she was sick. And how I love the public libraries! Do you not understand that the first thing Americans did when we began to build towns and cities was pool our recources to found hospitals, schools, libraries, bridges, court rooms and town halls? What is excess wealth for but to make the world a better place? And it is much easier to do by banding together to build things we all need then doing without or waiting for some rich person to decide to endow it. Socialism is being demonized in this country because the rich hate it. They want the rest of us to live in abject poverty and be their peons. And when they have stripped every social program in the country and privatized it all, you might consider that pooling our resources and then owning them together might have been a better plan.

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  4. No, that was just stealing. And if they hadn't previously corrupted all of Congress, the judicial system, and the media, they would all be in prison now.

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  5. Nonetheless 29 trillion was created and given away to the richest most successful people and companies in world history.

    Last year taxpayers guaranteed a 725 million dollar loan to Verizon for no reason at all.

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  6. There is a big difference between socialism and community.

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  7. ben franklin [pre death]January 9, 2015 at 4:09 AM

    Agree 100%. When capitalism cannibalizes itself, the vast majority of society will demand redistribution from the lords and rulers to the general population. As you say "when they have stripped every social program in the country and privatized it all, you might consider that pooling resources..." Marx understood. It's just that so few Americans understood Marx.

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  8. You LOVE socialism right now because it's "Soft Socialism" which is the TRANSITION from Capitalism to Socialism... so you're getting the befnefits of BOTH right now...


    you still own your own homes/business, can choose which car you drive, where you eat, shop, smart phone to use, Watch TV/Holllywood etc.


    while the Socialist USE the success of capitalism to finance their TAKE OVER.. and make no mistake SOCIALISM is TRANSFER OF WEALTH, POWER RESOURCES from the citizens to the GOVERNMENT.


    under FULL BLOWN socialism, you don't own your house, you work DIRECTLY for hte government, there are no more "Shoppping malls" "Hollywood movies" or anything else you enjoy now as "entertainment" because under a SOCIALIST system... the government runs everything and "entertainment" is not a vital part of the country.


    See the problem with socialism is EVENTUALLY YOU RUN OUT OF OTHER PEOPLE's MONEY! ;)


    and eventually you end up with an all powerful government, with a totally oppressed, unhappy, population of slaves. Seems GREAT right now, while there's still hundreds of millions of people with wealth to steal... and there are some socialist countries (like Denmark) wehere it actually works (short term) because they dont' have a lot of people and they still have the CAPITALIST nations like the USA to send them eerythign they need (food, technology, entertainment) to keep the population compliant and apathetic.... but what happens when there is no more CAPITALIST nation actually PRODUCING GOODS, SERVICES, and INNOVATION? where will these "socialist" countires get the things they need?


    or maybe you can give me an example of thriving auto industry, techb industry or enetertainment industry in a socliast country? Oh that's right you can't! :D


    There's only 2 types of people who like socialism..
    1) the 0.1% that realize they will consolidate wealth and power to them self..


    2) the BOTTOM 10% of society. The dumbest, poorest, most useless, jealous people.. The kind of peopel that can't get dressed in the morning without watching TV to see what they should wear... the kind of person who's never achieved anythign on their own, because they are lazy and ignorant. The Jealous fool who LOVES the IDEA of "wealth distribution" because he figures "It can only get better for me"


    in other words... the IGNORANT FOOL who's ready to be a slave and give up his freedom for promise of TEMPORARY free stuff.. because to the lazy, dumb, useless sheep promises of free stuff are MUCH MORE enticing that lectures about personal responsibility ;)

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  9. the only problem with your pathetic "Theory" is... Who is in CHARGE of this "Wealth Distribution" do you think it will be the "99%" who actually NEED the money?! No moron.. it will be the same 0.1% who control all the money now (the banksters and their employees, the politicans) all socialism does is LEGALIZE the grand theft aka "wealth Transfer" from the 99% to the 0.1%... i think it's hillarious that dumb, poor, ignorant people think that the super rich that make 100% of the decisions are just gonna "redistribute it equally among the population"


    in this case you will find out IGNORANCE is NOT BLISS.
    lol unless you think the 99% that are too dumb under even CAPITALISM where they have the most potential of infuence, to think they can "make a difference" under Socialism where the governmetn and their cronies are exponentially more powerful.


    another wellfare case who's too ignorant to understand the LARGER implications of giving away your wealth, power and deicison making ability!

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  10. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

    Winston Churchill

    The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.

    Margaret Thatcher
    The goal of socialism is communism.

    Vladimir Lenin
    Socialism is the gradual and less violent form of communism, and socialist is the project of the European Union, which was born in Maastricht in 1992. The intent was to save socialism in Europe after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the predictable bankruptcy of the welfare state in the West as well.

    Vladimir Bukovsky
    As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents.

    George Orwell

    The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

    Winston Churchill

    No one should suffer from the great delusion that any form of communism or socialism which promotes the dictatorship of the few instead of the initiative of the millions can produce a happier or more prosperous society.

    Charles E. Wilson

    Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail.

    Benito Mussolini

    Socialism violates at least three of the Ten Commandments: It turns government into God, it legalizes thievery and it elevates covetousness. Discussions of income inequality, after all, aren't about prosperity but about petty spite. Why should you care how much money I make, so long as you are happy?

    Ben Shapiro

    The function of socialism is to raise suffering to a higher level.

    Norman Mailer

    Socialism is the same as Communism, only better English.

    George Bernard Shaw

    Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.

    Thomas Sowell

    The reason this country continues its drift toward socialism and big nanny government is because too many people vote in the expectation of getting something for nothing, not because they have a concern for what is good for the country.

    Lyn Nofziger

    All socialism involves slavery.

    Herbert Spencer


    Socialism means slavery.

    Lord Acton


    Socialism is simply Communism for people without the testosterone to man the barricades.

    Gary North
    I belonged to the generation that grew up under National Socialism, and was blinded and led astray - and allowed itself to be led astray.

    Gunter Grass
    Almost the only persons who may be said to comprehend even approximately the significance, principles, and purposes of Socialism are the chief leaders of the extreme wings of the Socialistic forces, and perhaps a few of the money kings themselves.

    Benjamin Tucker


    I think I made my point! We have world leaders from opposite sides of WW2 (Italian, British, AMerican) agreeing that SOCIALISM is BAD... Successful communist revolutionists like Marx, the most influential authors of the last century as well as many well known, respect economists.... to DENY what Socialism REALLY is, after listening to dozens of people smarter than you... well thats beyond wilful ignorance, and on to "full retard."

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  11. Biggest problem in the USA... the banks/government work together... they PRIVATIZE gains, and SOCIALIZE losses.




    the worst of both worlds for the citizens that are too ignorant to understand what that means!

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  12. ben franklin [pre death]January 9, 2015 at 9:37 AM

    Another propagandized halfwit from the US, I'm guessing? What I'm referring to (especially when I mention Marx a few times) isn't socialism. It's communism. Not the State Capitalism that was in China, USSR, Cuba, North Korea... real communism. It can only come about after the full collapse and failure of capitalism (basically worldwide). Something we are seeing the very early beginnings of today.

    Potential of influence under capitalism? You're hopeless. Get real, buddy. Once you have enough CAPITAL to INFLUENCE, you are part of the CAPITALIST IMPERIALIST system. I imagine you grew up fairly well off. It's usually that kind of upbringing that fosters this kind of ignorance and non-logic. Try reading the philosophies you slam before you do so.

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  13. i suggest you take your head out of your ass, and listen to this group of people whose quotes wonderfully sum up everything I have already said about Socialism. ... all of these people are infinitely more important than you, and have seen TRUE socialism in action. (not the early stages of the transition between capitalism and socialism where the people temporarily experience the best of both!) lets see you argue with these credentials ;)

    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.

    -Winston Churchill

    The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other peoples' money.

    -Margaret Thatcher

    The goal of socialism is communism.

    -Vladimir Lenin

    Socialism is the gradual and less violent form of communism, and socialist is the project of the European Union, which was born in Maastricht in 1992. The intent was to save socialism in Europe after the fall of the Berlin Wall and the predictable bankruptcy of the welfare state in the West as well.

    -Vladimir Bukovsky

    As with the Christian religion, the worst advertisement for Socialism is its adherents.

    -George Orwell

    The inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of miseries.

    -Winston Churchill

    No one should suffer from the great delusion that any form of communism or socialism which promotes the dictatorship of the few instead of the initiative of the millions can produce a happier or more prosperous society.

    -Charles E. Wilson

    Socialism is a fraud, a comedy, a phantom, a blackmail.

    -Benito Mussolini

    Socialism violates at least three of the Ten Commandments: It turns government into God, it legalizes thievery and it elevates covetousness. Discussions of income inequality, after all, aren't about prosperity but about petty spite. Why should you care how much money I make, so long as you are happy?

    -Ben Shapiro

    The function of socialism is to raise suffering to a higher level.

    -Norman Mailer

    Socialism is the same as Communism, only better English.

    -George Bernard Shaw

    Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it.

    -Thomas Sowell

    The reason this country continues its drift toward socialism and big nanny government is because too many people vote in the expectation of getting something for nothing, not because they have a concern for what is good for the country.

    -Lyn Nofziger

    All socialism involves slavery.

    -Herbert Spencer

    Socialism means slavery.

    -Lord Acton

    Socialism is simply Communism for people without the testosterone to man the barricades.

    -Gary North

    I belonged to the generation that grew up under National Socialism, and was blinded and led astray - and allowed itself to be led astray.

    -Gunter Grass

    Almost the only persons who may be said to comprehend even approximately the significance, principles, and purposes of Socialism are the chief leaders of the extreme wings of the Socialistic forces, and perhaps a few of the money kings themselves. #TRUTH

    -Benjamin Tucker

    I think I made my point! We have world leaders from opposite sides of WW2 (Italian, British, AMerican) agreeing that SOCIALISM is BAD... Successful communist revolutionists like LENIN, the most influential authors of the last century as well as many well known, respect economists.... to DENY what Socialism REALLY is, after listening to dozens of people smarter than you... well thats beyond wilful ignorance, and on to "full retard."

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  14. ben franklin [pre death]January 10, 2015 at 6:19 AM

    You're just an ass who ignores the meat of an argument and focuses on a particular term that you can attack. Socialism IS NOT WHAT I AM REFERRING TO. And since I didn't post a particularly long comment, I imagine you just ignored it and started gathering your Google searched quotes. Most of those quotes are talking about NATIONAL socialism (Nazi). Britain socialized their healthcare system immediately after WW2 and half of your quotes come from Brits. Pretty hilarious.

    Again, as we are seeing today, capitalism has begun its final stages of self-cannibalizing. At the end of this long stage is the inevitable collapse of capitalism. You can quote another 100 people from 1945 and none of it will really answer to what is happening in the here and now.

    And maybe you should see REAL socialism in action before quoting a bunch of (mostly) capitalists from 75 years ago. Let's look at socialist Finland, socialist Norway, socialist Denmark, and socialist Iceland. Countries that are vastly socialized and have much higher qualities of life, life expectancies, lower infant mortality, and lower poverty rates.

    Furthermore, you equate socialism to communism and continue to refer to societies that were STATE CAPITALIST as communist. I do hope you keep calling me names like "retard" since it verified just how foolish you are.

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  15. EVERY SOCIETY works in cycles.

    Capitalism to build up industry, technology, innovation, infrastructure, wealth, prosperity.

    Then thanks to banking/government corruption Capitalism is TRANSFORMED into "crony capitalism" or FASCISM where the big corps/banks/gov work together to consoildate wealth, power and eliminate compeition... the NEXT PHASE of the plan is to disenfranchise the "99%" to the point where they BLAME CAPITALISM (and not the corruption of capitalism) as the problem.

    This allows the ELITES to foister in SOCIALISM The NEXT PHASE of the inevitable cycle of society. AT FIRST socialism is GREAT, because during this transition you get teh best of BOTH WORLDS... you get the wealth, property, choice, entertainment of Capitalsm, and the "benefits" of socialist policies such as Wellfare, Social Security etc. BUT as ANY INTELLIGENT PERSON (like many of the ones I quoted)

    Socialism is merely the TRANSITION (while they transfer wealth, power, property, resources, CHOICE) from the PEOPLE to the GOVERNMENT.

    and once they have all the wealth, power, resrouces, choice, they remove the veil of "caring" and it goes FULL OUT COMMUNISM.

    As Vladamir Lenin (and many other historical minds) know

    SOCIALISM IS MERELY THE TRANSITION TO COMMUNISM.

    as for the "successful" examples of Socialism.... EVERY "Example" of Socialism seems like it's WORKING at first, (while there is still wealth to confiscate!) and it ONLY works in places like Denmark, Finland, Norway, because they have a CAPITALIST USA to give them EVERYTHING they need to keep the people apathetic, and happy.

    If there was no "capitalist" USA producing cars, food, ENTERTAINMENT, and virtually every other staple of a healthy society... where would the Socalists get the things they need to run their country?

    Or maybe you can give me an example of a successful Technology industry, auto industry, entertainment industry, farming industry from a SOCIALIST country? that's right you can't... and these Socialist coutnries are only surviving (temporarily) because they are getting everything they need from the CAPITALIST nations.

    once again there's only 2 types of people who like socialism.

    1) the 0.1% who realize they will be granting them self more wealth, power and control (who do you think will be in charge of "wealth distribution" the 99% or the 0.1%? lol)

    2) the STUPIDEST, LAZIEST, most jealous and unsuccessful people in the country. Because 1) they think it can't get any worse. 2) they want everybody to be as broke as them 3) the promise of free stuff is too alluring to ignore.

    so once again... try reading just THIS quote because it applies to you almost exclusively ;)

    Almost the only persons who may be said to comprehend even approximately the significance, principles, and purposes of Socialism are the chief leaders of the extreme wings of the Socialistic forces, and perhaps a few of the money kings themselves.


    -Benjamin Tucker





    ps: for every "temporarily" successful example of Socialism (which is still 100% dependent on capitalist nations to provide them with essentials for their people) there are 10 examples of death, destruction and despair.


    I understand PERFECTLY. it's you who only sees what socialism is "on paper" ignoring the REAL WORLD implementation.... ESPECIALLY on a nation of 300 MILLION PEOPLE! ;)

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  16. ben franklin [pre death]January 10, 2015 at 8:56 AM

    I don't think this discussion is going anywhere. You constantly refer to the systems of STATE CAPITALISM as communism. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN REAL COMMUNISM IN THE WORLD AS I HAVE SAID SEVERAL TIMES ALREADY. But you won't discuss that because it doesn't jive with your propagandized mind. You have no data or information about the European socialist countries that I mentioned regarding their "reliance on capitalism" you just say it and believe it is so. This is a huge laugh because the US BARELY PRODUCES ANYTHING ANYMORE.



    In fact, many of the advances you mention happened at a time when the US had massive and strong socialist policies, an extremely high tax rate, and captured scientists/engineers from Nazi Germany. People like you talk about all those inventions as if they would never have happened under any other system. You may be right. Because a society based on bettering itself and helping others alongside preserving the planet would never have invented some of those things. And many other things would have been invented as society would have seen a need for them, it just would have taken longer. Somehow, the human race managed to evolve alongside their technological progress over hundreds of thousands of years... but you consumerists need new gadgets every 7-10 months. You need things NOW. And capitalists are happy to oblige since they are just fine with subjugating entire populations, destroying the environment, and securing all the natural resources on the planet for themselves in order to gain profit from your consumerism.


    Capitalism converts raw resources/real material wealth into intangible wealth (currency & numbers). The faster they can convert REAL wealth into false wealth and wield power with that false wealth, the better off they are and the worse off everyone else is. The general population considers consumerist goods to be "wealth" when it is actually not wealth at all. You can't eat a TV. You can't use an iPhone as shelter. Furthermore, many of our consumerist goods require additional material wealth in order to make them work (cars, battery operated devices, anything that gets plugged into a wall). It's all realized as intangible wealth by the VERY FEW capitalist/imperialists. The only way they can keep this game up is by creating a system of credit and debt for the consumerists who no longer have any REAL wealth. This has become a tool of enslavement and a temporary one at that since we are seeing the beginning of the end of that shell game.



    Furthermore, "Capitalist nations make up most of the global GDP" because imperialist capitalism has LEACHED off of every nation on the planet, subverted their democratically elected leaders, repressed/murdered/destroyed their social movements, and forced via sanctions/brute force/subversion others to convert to central banking systems. By impoverishing, enslaving, and creating indentured servitude, capitalism has provided incredible amounts of GDP. By the way, ever wonder why you're even bothering to discuss the planet in terms of GDP? GDP is calculated in terms of MONETARY VALUE (ie not real material wealth, but intangible wealth that represents the consumption of real material wealth). Once capitalism crumbles, the wealth of humanity will be measured in real material not monetized paper and numbers.

    Your privileged upbringing is inherent in all the nonsense that you spew. Perhaps it is time for you to live as 75% of the planet lives (in near abject poverty). Perhaps then you will see what wonders capitalism has provided the human race (besides your iPhone 6 of course).

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  17. yes... by your definition CAPITALISTS ARE COMMUNISTS and Socialists are great!...


    Wow you live in a backwards reality. Good thing that wellfare check comes each month, because you could never make it in the real world.

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  18. ben franklin [pre death]January 10, 2015 at 2:15 PM

    People are fighting for toilet paper in Venezuela? GUESS AGAIN. You must be thinking of Panama or Chile or Mexico... you know where the Capitalist IMPERIALISTS have set up free trade zones, fences, and on-campus tenement housing for the slaves... er workers. That's the yacht partying, private jet flying crowd. Maybe if you actually started learning about US imperialism and stop getting your cues from Bill O'Reilly, you might know these things. Stop Googling things without any context whatsoever. Most of that manufacturing comes from making weapons and bombs compliments of the military industrial complex. It's not adding anything to humanity except dead bodies. The US hasn't decided to go all 1939 Germany on Europe just yet, so Denmark is seeing very little of what we're "producing" here.

    You're clearly just another ignorant ass who just Googles things for 5 minutes and thinks he's made a case. No one's reading these posts but you and I. No one else cares. You're 5 minute Googling of context-less data is doing nothing but wasting your own time. USSR was STATE CAPITALIST. That's what it was! No matter what you want to think or fits your little propaganda-based vision of reality. STATE CAPITALISM is what it was. Again, some REAL learning/research/thinking is required to understand how these complex systems work. Try reading the philosophies for real.

    This conversation is over because I'm tired of arguing with an ignorant, backwards sucker who loves his propaganda so much that he simply refuses to look at contradicting information. I used to be in your camp... before I actually learned about socialism and communism and didn't stay glued to FOX News and CNN version of reality. Good luck, buddy. And just remember this fun little exchange of ours in 40 years.

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  19. LOL once again.. thank GOD you get that wellfare cheque each month.. because you're one brain dead, jealous, fool. ;)

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  20. ben franklin [pre death]January 12, 2015 at 3:45 AM

    Thank God for your 5 minute Google search. You were certainly right about Venezuela's toilet paper problem and that was my bad for not doing my own 5 minute Google search. But as for USSR you really need to actually learn about the philosophies we are discussing. Communism has never been realized in the world to date. All the so-called "Communist" nations implemented STATE CAPITALISM (notice the "state" there) in which the state owns all the means of production. That isn't communism. Again, stop 5 minute Googling these things and go to your library (existent thanks to social programs) and get some books on these philosophies. Talk with some real communists. Learn something new like I just did with the Venezuela toilet paper shortage. I would like to point out that Hugo Chavez was dead when that happened. He knew how to run that place.

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  21. ,,, just wanted to point out that you calling Communist USSSR run by the COMMUNIST party till 1991 "State Capitalism" is about as dishonest (or misguided) as they come.


    When the "state" owns all means of production thats already socialist... when you comebine that with the fact that people weren't allowed to own homes, generate wealth, or make any of their own decisions.. that's the definition of COMMUNISM.


    you pretending that communism is really "State Capitalism" to try and eliminate the connection between Socialism and Communism is you IGNORING REALITY because you wish your socialist utopia promised to you by Obama isn't just a fairytale... well it is! :D


    you never addressed the most important fact that only CAPITALIST nations actually produce the things their countries (and all the little socialist parasite countries) need to survive...without the capitlast nations to supply the money, CREDIT, GOOD/SERVICES/ENTERTAINMENT... the so called "successful" socialist nations (low population, low GDP nations) wouldn't even enjoy the TEMPORARY success that they have.


    just look at GREECE, ITALY, PORTUGAL, SPAIN, Cyprus or any other Socialist Eu country. Rampant unemployment, "austerity" getting more strict, cutting public services, bank deposit confiscations, State sell of PRIVATE assets to the banksters to secure loans SOCIALISM is nothing but hte CONSOLIDATION of WEALTH AND POWER AND RESOUrCES from the PEOPLE to the GOVERNMENT in the HOPE that an ALL POWERFUL government will "take care of them".. in reality... all that happens is people become subjugated, slaves of the STate, and the state becomes even more corrupt.. more stolen, more waste... and eventually that "soft Socialism" becomes HARD COMMUNISM as the State uses their new wealth, power authority to rule with an IRON first to make sure the peopel don't get any "ideas" about taking back any of the wealth, property, power or prosperity that they were stupid enough to WILLINGLY give up.

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  22. ben franklin [pre death]January 12, 2015 at 7:08 AM

    You have definitely proven that you have no idea what Communism really is. You should simply have Googled "Define State Capitalism" and you would get a simple definition that I already described. People not owning houses has nothing to do with Communism. You clearly have no idea about these philosophies. Again, good luck in the future when the wealthiest .001% of families owns all physical wealth via their limited liability corporations. They already own almost everything as it is, they just need to keep transferring wealth from the middle class to themselves and keep blaming the welfare queens.

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  23. com·mu·nism
    ˈkämyəˌnizəm/
    noun
    a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs.


    ... so by DEFINITION.."ALL PROPERTY is PUBLICALLY OWNED"


    ... but no... the DEFINITION is wrong. The "Communist Party of Russia" wasn't Communist! and all the quotes of notable intellectuals and world leaders comparing socialism and communism are simply totally incorrect.


    but you!... wellfare collector American parasite are correct. :D American "Exceptionalism" indeed!

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  24. and NO.. Russia's "communist party" wasn't "communist"! How dare i suggest such a thing!

    OXFORD DICTIONARY Communism:

    "The most familiar form of communism is that established by the Bolsheviks after the Russian Revolution of 1917, and it has generally been understood in terms of the system practised by the former Soviet Union and its allies in eastern Europe, in China since 1949, and in some developing countries such as Cuba, Vietnam, and North Korea. In this form of communism it was held that the state would wither away after the overthrow of the capitalist system. In practice, however, the state grew to control all aspects of communist society. Communism in eastern Europe collapsedin the late 1980s and early 1990s against a background of failure to meet people’s economicexpectations, a shift to more democracy in political life, and increasing nationalism such as that which led to the break-up of the Soviet Union"



    .... What say you? You were man enough to admit you were wrong about the "Venezuelan toilet paper"... ... are you ready to wake up and smell the roses ?

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  25. under "True" Communism (aka communism on paper, the fairytale for dummies) the "State" is pretty much non existent because The People really ARE the State... however in REALITY resources and wealth and industry need to be managed, so THE STATE actually becomes a tiny consortium of the wealthiest and most powerful people who now LEGALLY own and control everything.


    - Communism for idealists and morons.

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  26. ben franklin [pre death]January 12, 2015 at 8:41 AM

    You just proved to me that you have NO REAL KNOWLEDGE OF THESE SYSTEMS. "Public ownership" does not mean STATE owned. The process of the communist worker revolution dismantles the STATE. There is no central directorship as communities become responsible for the means of production and decisions regarding things such as housing. Personal property still exists in terms of usage (IE no one else can use my toothbrush or my home unless I am not using my home in which case the community decides whether or not the home is available for someone else). You really need to actually go out and LEARN SOMETHING instead of Googling everything.l

    As for definitions (which can be Googled), you still haven't defined state capitalism.

    state cap·i·tal·ism
    noun
    noun: state capitalism
    a political system in which the state has control of production and the use of capital.

    This what we saw in USSR, Cuba, North Korea, and China. It doesn't matter how many faux "communists" said "communism" (since they needed to fool the proletariat into revolting to STATE CAPITALISM) nor how many capitalists said "communism" (since they are terrified of ACTUAL communist revolution because it dissolves their centralized control structure). What matters is what actually occurred. In the USSR's case, warlords gathered up the anger of the proletariat, were funded by huge banking interests (yes from the US and Britain), and revolted to install a system where all production and property was owned and run by a centralized control system of the STATE (ie STATE CAPITALISM not communism).

    I'm fully done with this debate now since we're just arguing in circles because you don't actually know about the systems we are debating. You just know what propaganda has told you and your 30 minute Googling sessions. Get a book for God's sake.

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  27. LOL by every single published definition you are incorrect, sir.


    When "the Public" is "the State" that sounds nice on paper, and makes it seem like everybody is "Equal" in REALITY every country needs its resources, food, infrastructure organized.. SOMEBODY always has to make decisions.. and under Communism, this ends up EVERY SINGLE TIME just like the USSR, or all the other wonderful examples of oppression.


    you are living in a fantasy world, deluded so you can feel better about a useless leach. That is all. :)


    denial is a sickness...

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